Torchlight 2 Vs. Diablo 3: ARPG Fight 2012

 

Last year we saw a variety of ARPGs hit the market. With Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2, we had a situation where two different development teams set out to create different takes on the same design.

Reprinted from my site: Game-Wisdom

2012 for PC gamers was an ARPG smorgasbord, with titles like Drox Operative, Path of Exile beta and Borderlands 2 for instance. But the two that I find the most interesting were Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2.

With these two games we had an almost David vs. Goliath scenario. With Diablo 3 coming from Blizzard, which is arguably one of the biggest developers in the world. And Torchlight 2 from Runic games, which is helmed by the co founders of Blizzard North and the creator of Fate.

Both developers set out to create an ARPG of a similar mold. While on the outside both teams created a similar game, if we look closer there are very subtle differences that make it that much harder to pick a winner.
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When it comes to ARPG design, there are three areas that we can judge them on: Character Design, Loot and Combat. When I broke both titles down into these categories, the winner wasn't as black and white as I hoped.

The Man/Woman Behind the Armor:

Class design is a major point in ARPG design, as this is what defines your abilities and search for loot. With both Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3, the designers had a different philosophy that wasn't quite perfect.

In Diablo 3, each class was designed as a defined character, with a back-story, unique abilities that fit and preferred gear and attributes.  When you played as a Barbarian, you were never going to use bow and arrows and equip quivers; likewise a Monk would never need a Witch Doctor's sacrificial totem.

Abilities were set in stone in terms of their use, potential and utility and would never change. The rune system that allowed players to attach a skill modifying affect, while having a major impact, still only had set effects on the specific skills.

Meanwhile, Torchlight 2's set of classes were more open and less defined. Each class had three skill trees unique to them, but was not restricted by gear. Meaning, if I wanted to take the engineer (heavy melee class) and use a ranged weapon that was fine.

One of the reasons for the openness was that there was no such thing as a primary attribute. Instead each one had an important purpose that could fit into the player's style which I'll be coming back to in the loot section.sell cheap diablo 3 gold

The skills available to each class could be improved by investing skill points into them. Unlike Diablo 3, the skill's basic functions are not set in stone and can be improved over time. Each skill has three tiers that the player can level them up to, which will increase the functionality of the respective skill.

For example one skill that weakens all enemies around the player for a few seconds will have its range increased with each tier. But at the same time, the duration and effect will go up with each skill point added. While this does allow the player more control on skill growth, the skills themselves lack the variety and depth that Diablo 3's classes had. And since you had to pump additional points into a skill before you saw any changes, meant that skill progression was slower compared to Diablo 3.

Overall, to have to decide on a favorite of the two games, I'm split. On one hand, the better defined classes of Diablo 3 made them more unique and diverse, with a more varied selection of skills. But Torchlight 2's ability to improve skills beyond their original functionality offered more customization and freedom in defining your character.

Looting Around:

Loot is a cornerstone of any ARPG: both as a form of progression and as a motivator for the player. If there is anything that can sink an ARPG faster, it's not having good loot design. Once again looking at Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3, both titles have good ideas, but also some problems.

Let's start with Diablo 3, here the rarity scale is: normal, magic, rare, set, and legendary. Going up the scale, items become more powerful, have greater stats and at set and higher may have special abilities.

The most important factor when determining what is considered good loot for a character is if it provides a bonus to the class's primary attribute. As the primary attribute not only affects how much damage the character can do, but also is a factor of their defense.
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The primary attribute’s effect on loot makes upgrades very noticeable, but occurs rarely.
When the player reaches the end game of Diablo 3 with the current cap of level 60, loot continues to level up three more times to a total of level 63.

Now, level 60 and up items don't appear until the player is in the final act of Hell difficulty (second hardest difficulty.)

The increase in stats from 60 to 63 is huge, as weapons can start providing thousands of extra points of damage with a major defense increase to boot.

Torchlight 2 handles things abit differently. First is that the rarity scale is condensed to just: normal, magic, rare and legendary with set items appearing in rare. Because there is no such thing as a primary attribute, a character can equip any weapon that they want. The strength attribute does affect how much physical damage a player can do, while focus affects magical. But the main determination of a weapon's damage is the actual damage stat on the weapon.

Because of that, the player has more freedom in finding loot as they aren't restricted by one attribute. Good loot can be found anywhere, and the world of Torchlight 2 is randomized with each game. The player can also reshuffle cleared areas to make them new again. Throughout the game, the player may find enemies called phase beasts, that when killed will open up a portal to another area where the player can find more loot.

The problems with loot design between the two games are a simple matter of missing the target of keeping loot varied and improving. Diablo 3 falls short of the target while Torchlight 2 overshot it. diablo 3 gold

In Diablo 3, the chance to find loot that can provide any kind of upgrade to your character becomes more and more limited the further you play. The reason is due to the reliance of the primary attribute. It doesn't matter at all what the other stats are for a weapon (and in some cases equipment,) as without the primary attribute the item won't be anywhere as effective as those with it.

On the flip side, Torchlight 2's loot problem is that the window of finding upgrades is too wide and makes the feeling of finding new equipment lessen. The reason is that since there isn't a focus on what attributes are needed for gear (with exception to damage and armor on weapons and equipment respectively), you're free to use whatever you want.

However, while it gives the player more freedom in finding items, it also makes it hard to find meaningful upgrades - or pure upgrades. In Diablo 3 it's very easy to see what gear would be better or worse for your character. But in Torchlight 2, it's very easy to be overwhelmed by different gear for the same slot with minute differences.

Another problem is that loot doesn't scale up as quickly in Torchlight 2 compared to other action rpgs. If I'm in a level 28-30 area, I may still find loot for level 24 and below dropped by enemies. Due to how varied the loot table is, that level 24 item  may be as good as something around level 29, but the chance of that is less, compared to finding something of a higher level.

In terms of both games I would give the nod to Torchlight 2. As having more choices is always better than less, and the random world design mixes things up better then what is currently in Diablo 3.

For the last category: combat, this can be a tricky one to look at. This is hard to examine critically while you're being surrounded by dozens of monsters.

Calculating Combat:

Combat seems like something so simple in an action rpg, but there is a lot of subtlety hidden under the surface. We could actually have a full post related just to talking about what goes into making combat interesting.

There is no point in explaining combat in Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 before talking about them in depth, as both use similar systems. The key difference is how combat flows in either game.

In Diablo 3, combat is just a tad slower pace than Torchlight 2. Granted on the higher difficulty levels, one mistake can leave you dead or close to it. However enemies move and react slow enough that the player has a chance to use a skill or actively avoid a high damaging attack.

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Torchlight 2's special effects can easily get in the way and lead to death.
The use of the skill system allows the player to define their move-set for any given fight: Focusing on area of effect skills, direct damage, slowdown and many more.

And the combat is slow enough that you can set up attack strategies like putting down a slow trap as a Demon Hunter, and following it up grenades when the enemies are grouped up. buy diablo 3 gold

Torchlight 2 plays at a faster pace, with more enemies attacking per group compared to Diablo 3. Due to the pace, it is harder to set up skills in a strategy as enemies will quickly close the gap and do damage. Ranged projectiles fly a lot faster and in more numbers, making it harder to actively dodge them while attacking.

Because the general size of the enemy on screen is smaller in Torchlight 2 compared to D3, it makes it easier to lose enemies in a crowd of special effects. During a boss fight for instance, I went from full health to dead in one second and I had no idea what actually happened.

Granted I've had the same thing happen to me in Diablo 3 inferno mode, but I was at least able to see it coming before dying horribly. That's why I give the nod to Diablo 3 in terms of combat, as it delivers on both fast pace, and allowing the player to react to what's going on.

The Final Tally:

When I first started writing this post  I was leaning towards Torchlight 2 being the better ARPG of the two. However, after spending time playing both games back to back, I had to give a slight nod to Diablo 3.

The reason is that while both games have design problems, the issues that I have with Diablo 3 (loot, more randomness to world) are easier to fix then Torchlight 2's problems (combat pacing, class refinement.)

With that said however, it's not exactly a clear win by Diablo 3, as both titles are good for the genre and are neck in neck in terms of edging out the other one for the top position. With a Diablo 3 expansion planned and more patches, it will be interesting to see how the game will change from launch in a year's time. And with Path of Exile now in open beta, more people can see another variation on the ARPG genre.
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     Playing Diablo III in Hardcore mode is a harrowing experience. No matter how good you are as a player, there's always the real worry that one careless move will mean the end of a character you've worked hard to level. Unfortunately, sometimes that careless move is simply playing in a public game, as griefers have been exploiting the vote kick system to cause players to die and lose everything through no fault of their own.

    As it currently stands, a player who has been kicked by popular vote will be rooted in place for 10 seconds while the character is ejected. Griefers have used this to kick players in the middle of monster-heavy rooms, resulting in 10 seconds of uninterrupted monster beat downs with no chance of reprieve.buy diablo gold cheap

    So how to fix this? Well, Blizzard plans to remove the 10 second lockout in the near future to ensure that a kicked player can still move and respond rather than get pointlessly murdered. There's no word on whether this will be a hot fix or rolled into a larger patch, but it's definitely on the horizon. Until it goes live, though, you might not want to have your hardcore characters on a public game. buy diablo 3 gold    Buy/Sell Runescape Gold   sell dekaron dil

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     Diablo III is the third installment of the popular franchise in which players will return to Sanctuary to confront evil in its many forms once again.

     Diablo III is the third installment of the popular franchise in which players will return to Sanctuary to confront evil in its many forms once again. The game takes place on Sanctuary, a world of dark fantasy. Unbeknownst to most of its inhabitants, Sanctuary was saved some twenty years ago from the demonic forces of the underworld by a few brave and powerful heroes.

     Most of those warriors who directly faced the armies of the Burning Hells--and were fortunate enough to survive--went mad from their experiences. And most of the others have buried their haunted memories and pushed the horrors from their thoughts. In Diablo III, players will return to Sanctuary to confront evil in its many forms once again.

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    Why say the economic cycle? Because I think only when Dropped Most items have more or less the time of pick-up value, the economy of this game in order to maintain a dynamic natural stability, without having to rely on the patch this external forces to influence prices in the game.

    Two basic points of the cycle is the output and consumption. Let's take a look at the Diablo 3 gold cycle:
Output: Dropped.
The consumption: AH fees, equipment repair, production skills and processing costs of production.

     All natural all know, in consumption, in addition to the AH fee is effective equipment maintenance role behind the project production skills outside almost non-existent. The disadvantages of such obvious, easy to obtain and consume hard, does not make everyone get satisfaction, but will also increase the frustration of the players, because consumption is difficult to get easy things generally be classified as junk, easily consumed easy to get things, to qualify for all pro-gaze as means of circulation.

    This paper wanted how production skills utilized.
First of all, jewelry, because it is completely unable to consume almost became a pool of stagnant water, the processing costs accounted for almost 80% of the cost of the gem because of the cumbersome process, resulting in almost no businessmen jewelry as an industry to operate.

    My idea is to apply the WOW the production mode, in the process of processing possible to synthesize a perfect XXX jewelry than ordinary high a level. Such as three 54 Synthesis of 58, to appear perfect and you can reach 62. Three perfect gems can gears up to get a free processing opportunities, will get a 66 jewelry, if you are lucky enough, you can again perfect grade is 70 properties gem. Lobbied for three processing opportunity again. Ordinary, you can not break through the the existing drawings restrictions. This will enhance the the entire server jewelry consumption, let players more momentum, also allow players to spend money to put into the high-end gem of the vast majority of ordinary players in Sidelight gem benefit more. While the the synthetic gemstones person increase, fees will surge. buy diablo gold cheap

    Come to talk about the forging, forging why now more than jewelry also weak? Existing forging drawing, forging something completely waste, especially repeatedly strengthen monster output. So how do we re-let this career rejuvenated it? Very simple decomposition legendary equipment, will have a chance to manufacturing drawings of the legendary items, this drawing can not be traded, to learn to fend for themselves. , Forged items will have a chance to get an additional property in any part of the punch must be completed by the jewelry division, if the jewelry division personally synthesis of 70 and 78 attributes jewelry, will be able to complete an achievement, this achievement The reward is that you can give a punch attribute items drilling. Of course, each time punching, gears up fees are God, require relatively high fees.

   PS: gloves currently no hole, the hole, you can consider giving additional control properties of the glove hole, deceleration, frozen, repulsed, fear, and so on. Shoulder is incidental defensive attributes, and reduce the time to be controlled, hurt the increase in the percentage increase in the percentage of armor or rebound. To this step, whether it successfully it? Whether the formation of a gold items homeostasis it? Answer is no. We need to face the following two problems.

   The first forging strengthen Need equipment will make the bulk increase. Then the introduction of the consumption of goods.

   Personal idea makes the majority of ordinary players income and high-end players have some small loss. Durability ceiling reduced. Absolutely not what you think. Here said Durability reduce and transactions linked to equip each transfer to a different war network ID will be the upper limit of the equipment is reduced by 10%, to a 0. The benefits of doing so are as follows: second-hand, third-hand equipment is durable reduce price, ordinary players do not care to repair the interval can spend the same money to get better properties. Equipment since changed hands several times will completely disappear, maintenance of equipment thirst, forging a long-term career development. Cons: friend interchangeable equipment testing attributes, there will be a cost.

   The second unanimous criticized white items, blue items = dog feces. Can be masked masked that kind of stuff. In fact, if combined, and forging will be very useful. Drawings to need white template and retain additional properties of white goods in forging successful? Then you will not increase the eye to see the white goods of the earth? Decomposition legendary the Normal Difficulty white items can be strengthened as a purgatory level every time strengthen the need of the difficulty of a large number of blue gold materials {such as 200 blue 100 golden}, and each time strengthening also have the opportunity to obtain new or cumulative properties. In this case, you will not across the three levels of difficulty to the hearts of the artifact?

   I want to say, PVE, then he again strong can only play their own room strange. PVP, then if you put a 0 players insisted and they spent a lot of cash may be worthy of the First World War, it is not unfair to others?  dofus powerlevel

   The central idea of ??these ideas is to make more investment in the power of high-end players, they put into the power and wealth of ordinary players would need luck to let the players hard accumulation also have a car and house, in order to have a villa and courage, and you want to buy a the island matched two maids then this is the power of a few people.

   There are gaps and incentive. As long as the gap is not built on privilege on line. What do you think?

New players confused: Diablo 3 gold in the end what to play?

       A quite typical play Diablo 3 gold series in the end is what? Deceptively simple rules of the game and limited content set, Why is it worth so many players over the years so obsessed? Once KM / KP to today brush key brush legend, in the end in the pursuit of what? Cheap Diablo 3 gold
     Now it seems that Blizzard seems to appear in this regard some development group is too obvious attempt to rely on the leveling / attribute to extend the player's game time. First, the role of higher level, then the higher the difficulty of the game, these seemingly very reasonable traditional set is really suitable for Diablo 3 gold series of games? Compared to the previous series, we do not see the level / degree of difficulty over many articles, a time of balance adjustment can make all the players never tired of addicted to the game, but this simple fun seems to disappear from the game. Diablo 3 gold just the past six months, the future still has a long way to go in accordance with the present mode, how to do in the future?
    We assume might happen, the PVP appears from the game's release to join the battle and still continuing players should have been very close to the peak level, and the PVP middle Blizzard will again bring a new concept of hierarchy, you need continue to win in the battle to improve your combat level (this level in the eyes of the players more than the pinnacle level with the strength of representative), and this victory is required according to the proportion of sustained, once you are out of combat cycle, then your level drops , so you can hold your rankings.      These assumptions, but it looks like it is consistent with some of the ideas of the development group. They are currently more likely to rely on distant goal to retain players, rather than the core game mechanics.
Figures will eventually boring, retain the players will be the game's content and rich interpersonal circle, players need the game more realistic social communication experience and the success of the road, instead of 11 like Repeat superimposed.
    Wow now seems also to start such a problem, rising from the original T-series, and then upgrade to later by additional material, and even a version with the same can upgrade several times, the real game is part of the rich connotation be leading ignored (for example, a huge world and memorable low-level tasks), players from the outset, been instilling the idea of ??eventually those "beautiful digital work. Diablo 3 Gold For Sale
     Players can constantly adjust the target to extend the enthusiasm of a game, such as achievement, with a variety of equipment appearance, finish off the play with both hands with one hand, and so on, but the real key is that Blizzard how to guide, important figures or important content. A simple example, the Internet has a lot of wow memories activities, but you will find that players can recall from the always full of emotion, full of fun tasks, such as love and family, etc., but very few people would say, I have DPS reached XXX, etc..
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    Players Tlegend: I just contacted Diablo 3 gold Diablo series, not played before Diablo 3 gold2, but I play a lot of World of Warcraft, and played with a lot of other RPG games.
    I am now 54, is hit the Hell difficulty A2. I would like to know what to do in the end I rose to 60 after. I studied a lot of information, but there are a few points to make me a bit confused.
First of all, I did not simply continue to play it until I ran into a bottleneck, that is to say, I found that the killing began to become very difficult? I have a feeling I will be somewhere in the purgatory difficulty encountered this bottleneck. Once hit a bottleneck, and that it is time to upgrade their farm to buy some gold coins or equipment. I do not care about this kind of complicated things when I play wow often one thing to repeat repeat repeat, has long been accustomed to.
    Farm it is not the main bottlenecks encountered in purgatory players do it? I assume the hell do not need me to go to farm more difficult.
I just want to be able to get some "Diablo 3 gold play to the last in the end is what the answer to this question and guidance. I do not care what others say this game is very rotten, or that it is just a need to have the brush has been brushed repeated stuff. I just like doing repeated things, and this is the reason I bought the game. I'm just not sure that in the end how to specifically achieve.
    At the same time, I have been constantly listening to others talk about Super BOSS purgatory devices, keys, etc., who can explain to me down in the end what is this stuff?
     Finally, I hope I can get many answer! Thank you very much for my novice help!

The most easy to be seckilled map in the top ten in DNF

The fog Heryis-sniper Yilig

Only recently a new map, belonging to the ordinary map. Have two green name seckill players, one sniper, one that poison, sniper hit the red circle die, and poison gas I personally think that some professional threat, such as the Necro summon machinery, such screen mess, really do not know.

Tower of Death - Death Ternaya

Death Taree famous monsters, many players are his seckilled, the probability is relatively low, but the effect on the direct death. The players are seckilled very depressed, because it reflects the RP. Tower of Death now relatively simple to over, but each player had her kill.

Doubts Village - Witch Ajarllo

Hero Witch Figure is I do not want to fight, because that avatar, your equipment, the better his injuries, the higher, and you basically can not kill him, seconds frustration, each time with the resurrection currency hard resistance. This diagram also has quite a good fight, Grapller, Poison Ivy and the class the strong control Occupational like RBI.

Lament cave - insect king kill poison

If you do not see the level, sorrow or I think one of the hardest map. boss if there are disappointments he toppled then circling it kill, but note that the point is not likely to be hit. Another place is the 3 that three little monsters, hurt less than those few monsters are out, the consequences. . . .

Ruins of the king - Light Ward slightly Adams

Although the remains of the ancient map, but the level is too low, everyone soon had plans.

I think the more difficult is the light knight, a bit summon objects or team, then it is easy to be continuous lightning vertigo seckill.

Ghost train - Djinn Brooklyn

Find it hard to play when newly hatched ghost train very domineering, the BOSS ghost avatar is hit will be seconds, now do not know the players more blood Brooklyn attack force low, sometimes hit or not die, but also left some blood.

The Bill marks empire experimental field

Mechanical cow is also the earliest ancient map, revised several times, there was a version blew only play half of the blood of others, the new version of the mechanical cow Crazy Ivan Colonel blew can seckill task seckilled several times. Course, 70 to go RCC is may not be dead.

Pursuit of the war of annihilation Dr. Syjier

The steel broken Stone heaven abyss most advanced graph, the most disgusting Figure Assault soldiers Mellon miss. boss the mechanical Sai Jier Dr. have certain second person capacity, his assault and bomb damage is high, the I was seckilled several times.

Gerber Lin Wangguo - giant clockwork Creek

The last talk outsider Figure outsider certainly DNF hardest dungeons. Gerber Lin Wangguo In fact, with a lot of places are more likely to die, 1 white coat, machine 2 Figure 3 Figure of Wally are likely to be seconds. However, the easiest mistakes or Goblin trap, and believe in the people who died here the most.

The peristaltic City - Soul of lizards

Fact, peristaltic 1 is inserted two direct seckill, unless you solve the curse. The lizard Soul peristalsis of the easiest mistakes, mistakes have to die or see fit not sure they could not bear the resurrection currency, or normal fight, although slow.

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Difficulty requirements resistance mana

The ancient 2 outsider: (ordinary / brave)

Ordinary requirements n: 200 adventure-class e: 250 the warriors-level m: 300 king class k: 350

Ancient 3 new outsider:

Ordinary requirements n: 350 adventure level e: the 500 warriors grade m: 650 king class k: 800

Resistance mana role:

Requirements resist magic herein, does not mean less than this value can not enter, but, below this value will be the ability of punishment. Such as 50 against magic characters into normal difficulty outsider, his hp, mp, attack power will be reduced to about 60% (specific value is uncertain).

Of course, the relative resist magic value higher than the requirements of Magic Resistance values ??to some extent, to enter the copy, you can get the appropriate reward. Such as resistance to the magic figure of 270, the k Figure hp, mp, attack power increased by 3%. Into n Figure, will be increased by 19%.

In the characters to resist magic with the requirements resistance mana almost do not replace equipment or replace equipment after you die, resurrection. Will be punished.

Example 1, 230 to resist the magic of the red-eye was originally to take ancient weapons, change Yaodao, first because of the change Yaodao Resist Magic a 63-65 mp, hp, attack power significantly weakened. Secondly, when the 2 weapon switch back to ancient resist magic value back to 230, but mp hp attack force did not improve, and may even reduce more.

Example 2, 80 resistance mana figures, picked up a ring, put on after, resist magic into a 90, but mp hp attack force even decline.

This two cases has not proved to be a bug or punishment rules exist, so try not to arbitrarily replace equipment.

Of course, if it is 280 resist magic brush normal difficulty, the replacement of the two equipment will not change anything.